Which VPN you consider the best?

mullvad via boringtun, though really i think the definition of “best” and use case needs further definition to better advise.

mobile clients are tricky I’ve found – seamless transition from wifi to mobile data or back is non-trivial. the only client i’ve found a truly seamless transition was ExpressVPN.

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PIA definitely. They are the only VPN I know of that his been verified to not log in court.

This verification is more important to me, than their jurisdiction or the alleged aggressive marketing against competitors.

There are people who claim that this just means that PIA responded to the prosecutor’s subpoena that they did not have anything to hand over, which is technically accurate, but it essentially means that the FBI and prosecutors were sufficiently convinced to not pursue the matter in court by alleging that PIA had failed to comply with a subpoena, or that they had perjured themselves.

This is essentially the same thing as formal court verification, as the court does not in itself have a hand in investigating, and it is up to the plaintiff to do so.

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Thanks for this verification. That’s the reason why I also think that PIA is trustworthy.

Eh, I personally do not trust PIA. they involved themselves in some really dirty smear campaigns, and tried to boost their own services with it. When a company relies that hard on such tactics , and also goes full out on affiliate programs, it doesn’t exactly spike my confidence in a companies ethical standards.

Also, please don’t use a VPN to protect against governments. It is not what the technology was designed for. It always relies on privacy by policy, where something like Tor is privacy by design, and doesn’t require you to trust a single centralized commercial party, but have a distributed trust model where no party except you knows the entire path.

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+1

i suppose the only truly anonymous method = bare metal vpn which you have full control of, but has no way of pointing back to yourself. (+tor or i2p, etc)

Well that approach has a few problems too. When you host your own VPn you either need to trust your VPS provider instead of your VPN provider. If you host it at home, you will still use your own IP, which would also be a bit useless. Another issue with it is that you will be the only one using that IP, so you could still get correlated because of it.

Regarding using a VPN with Tor: Why you should NOT use a VPN with Tor

A VPN provider that you have chosen to trust is okay-ish for the purpose of hiding your IP address from marketing companies, and keeping your connection secure from attackers on your local network. But if you need more then that, Tor is the way to go (the browser even takes care of browser fingerprinting for you :slight_smile:) .

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hypothetically speaking, if you had root on a bare metal server which the isp had no records on you being associated with (billing, user account, etc), the server had all logging disabled (syslog + vpn logs), then the only way it could be traced back to you is if the isp were to track + share with law enforcement historic src connections to the given ip, right? and how realistic is that?

the okay-ish comment resonates and has also been something i wonder about – with the plethora of vpn providers these days who are creating a business around staying completely anonymous, there’s honestly no way to truly trust what a provider is offering, logging, or affiliated with, right? if there’s a super 1337 branded vpn provider that could very well be gov run, it’d be better to use our isp. please prove me wrong! :smiley:

Well in the end of the day, you have two types of VPN providers.
VPN providers you trust, and VPN ythat you don’t trust. When you choose to use a VPN, you acknknowlegde that that provider will have full access to your traffic, and will know where the traffic came from (you), and where it is going.

With Tor you can prevent that, but with a VPN provider all their “security” and “military grade encryption” buzzwords don’t matter, all that matters if they keep their promise to you, which is something that you will never be able to verify.

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+1, and it all becomes a false sense of security if the host system exploited through > insert method of your choice here <

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Using IVPN myself. Having been on Nord, Air and Mullvad, IVPN for me is the fastest (although at a price).

Currently using Mullvad for when I cant use Tor.

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I often refer people to Matt Traudt’s post on that too. He explains it in a way that’s easy to understand. I feel like the misconception is that “Oh, if I use a VPN, that’s an extra layer of protection,” but it doesn’t quite work that way.

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My current favorite: Mullvad, paid with Bitcoin Cash (Electron-Cash app on mobile).
I like the app on my laptop (openvpn) and use wireguard and 2 openvpn profiles (udp and tcp 443) on my phone.

Before this I used AirVPN, but I couldn’t get used to the app Eddie.

With TOR browser, I never type anything that’s related to me.

I just read here that you shouldn’t use TOR and VPN together. Something to remember :wink:

(removed pgp signing)

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Longest I’ve been with is Cotse, although US based I trust Gielda is all it boils down to reference that topic.

Mullvad best speeds and experience with (especially when using their wireguard service)

AirVPN is fast and reliable and although their available client leaves much to be desired it does work well and supports other carriers (on Linux, beta version, also mono based so not good for many threat profiles I imagine).

PIA, via significant other’s laptop, I don’t trust them - too big and too sleazy with their smear tactics (although the stuff they expose on competitors does seem to hold water.

Yes, all my VPN providers are in 14 eyes territories but I am not concerned over big brother (and hiding my activity from gov, tla’s etc), rather about the “big other” monetizing me and my every move on the internets (eg. 3rd party/trackers and the proprietors of and the profiteers from surveillance capitalism).

So really VPN is just a privacy filter in my case use, with each VPN provider I do have currently used for different reasons (during this overlap subscription period).

For any measure of anonymity into the clearnet then Tor network and browser, along with different habits, must be used. (and definitely No VPN+TOR together)

Links I’ve found useful in my search for a good VPN provider and determining some measure of being trustworthy(?) :
https://thatoneprivacysite.net/#detailed-vpn-comparison (as already mentioned)
https://restoreprivacy.com/5-eyes-9-eyes-14-eyes/
https://vpnscam.com/

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I’ve tried a variety and I ended up liking only proxy.sh and airvpn. It’s not hard to run your own too if your needs are simple.

I was heavily influenced by thatoneprivacyguy in deciding which ones to try in the first place, he has such a detailed review. Also, the right answer totally depends on your priorities, so this is always a good topic :smile:

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PIA are not the most ethical of companies, they launch smear attacks etc… They are also not on the privacytools.io list.

I use Proton, although I am considering switching to Nord potentially.

I use exclusively VeePN. Great to use, everything suits my tasks, there is no flaws.

Another for Mullvad, but through Wireguard, awesome.

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Due to the recommendations I gave another try to Mullvad and I’m satisfied. Although I miss some functionality:

  • there is no split tunneling
  • I don’t see the load of the servers so I don’t know to which I should switch for faster speed

Any idea for these 2?